Thursday, March 19, 2020

Slaughter Craven Goods – clearing up some of the instructions

Slaughter Craven Goods – clearing up some of the instructions

Mike has been asking some questions and so I thought others of you would also be doing this over the next few weeks so I am, in the greatest Waldron tradition, placing an addendum to the instructions here, as it happens. My responses in red.

Hi Ian:
Good day yesterday.

Ive just been trying to get my head round the copious instruction diagrams. Puts mine to shame!! They were only b&w, but I did put arrows in!!

On the ‘Loco Chassis Parts Location‘ page, the white piece above the letter ‘A’ in the green circle looks like being a motion plate(?) with 5 square holes each side ... presumably for cylinder slide bars?

Is that a residue from intended etched slide bars, maybe changed your mind?
I note you mention a drop in set of motion parts for the future. Presumably the etched version you produced for the C class a few years ago isn’t that?
Bravo for a super-detailed kit!
Hi Mike

The parts above the A are the rear of the cylinder block and the parts above the B are the motion plate. The white is just the rear of the etch, being blank, and the drawing of the etch sheet to the left of the diagram should show what is what. The parts above the A, once added together, by soldering or whatever other means, are then turned through 180 degrees so the detail parts are to the rear and then get put into the chassis at the rear of the cylinder casting position. Yes the rectangular slots are there to help people who realise this is for a representation of the slide bars and some parts of the etch edge are the correct size to cut up and put in those rectangles and meet the motion plate front part – the parts above the B – but as you rightly say, there is in development a drop in part for this which will likely be available some time this year or next.

I hope that clears it up.

Still at David’s in Kent so cannot use the actual artwork to check but I think what I have said above is correct.

Many thanks


Thanks Ian
That makes sense now.
Is there either a piece on one of the frets should one choose to close it up to form the block, or introduce a home-made item?

Hi Mike

There is a front and a rear to the cylinders but I didn’t think anyone would bother putting the underside of the casting in as I was using the hollow parts to solder the compensating beam for the front axle inside the cylinder space so it wouldn’t show.



Sorry to add one more question....

Can’t work out how the etched loco spring shape related to the printed ones ..... 

The etched spring is the driving wheel spring inside the splasher, over the inside frame. See the photos

Oh ok.

I can just see a corner on the top left photo peeking out! Not really visible on the others.

I’ll check my own collection of photos.

I’ll leave you in peace!

Loco body parts location diagram 3 show where to put them if you can get the space.



Looks like they were gone by renumbering.
Sorry mate ... another question!

The tender coping ... is it curved horizontally or a simple ‘straight out’ angle?

The pictures suggest curved.

Looking forward to getting building after my mate and I have rebuilt my crumbling garage!! 

New roof being fitted, to protect lathes, milling machine & tool grinders from the storm rainwater ingress & flooding (not river!) I’ve been fighting all winter, but found parts of the walls crumbling! It was only built in the early 60s.


Hi Ian
Sorry I’ve got some more points I’m unsure about re Slaughter goods:

1. Are the tender copings flat or curved when viewed from the front/rear?

2. Are the coupling rods pivoted on the crank pin or knuckle joint?

3. There are 2 holes in the loco-tender drawbar - which should be used for P4?

4. Where do the two little c45degree cranks attached between the water tank top and holy (4 hole!) inner tender panels fit?

5. I assume the 2 little T shapes on body sheet 2 are lamp irons?

6. The two 45degree ended 4 rivet strips o body sheet 2 by the 4 cab steps go where? Or are they spares?

7. The two etched brass cab spectacle plates - are they intended to be soldered together for strength?

8. Presumably the extra pressure gauge is in case it isn’t located as per the rhs one?

I hope you don’t think I’m being picky. You’ve done a grand job! Perhaps the hand rests are a bit too fine as the end eyes have virtually disappeared.
I remember doing something like that with the first shot at Dieppe. I decided then that if people wanted them superfine it was a case of them needing to file them down!


Hi Mike

No worries.

  1. Picture on page 2 and 4 of the instructions look like slightly curved copings. GA plans were a bit indistinct so I have drawn straight corners but slightly larger than needed to allow for final fitting.
  2. Either solid rods for no compensation/springing or pivot on the knuckle as per prototype. Or parts from the both if you want to pivot on the crankpin.
  3. Depends on your curves, nearer for prototype, further for radius 2.
  4. On the GA these seem to connect to the water cut off pivot wires. They fit below the footplate in line with the water hoses from the tender to the loco. If you are fitting these – not supplied – they could be used down there in the gloomy bit!
  5. Between one side of the top of the motion plate and the extended cab side ? Yes.
  6. On Loco body parts location 2 diagram, these are arrowed. They form the corner rivet strip at right angles to the long underfootplate rivet strip with the short ends at right angles and fit up against the front buffer beam or the rear drag beam as appropriate, after these parts are fitted.
  7. Yes. It gets the rims on both front and rear. The pressure guage is tot he rear.
  8. Extra is if you can use the resin cab. I have one out of 12 that seemed perfect, rest a bit ripply. I am expecting most people to use the etched cab.

Hope that is okay. I am around for the next 12 weeks if you need ought else!!



Thanks Ian

The item at no6 - I see the arrows in the rhs diagram on Loco Body Parts Location 2 sheet - they’re arrived from the mainly red diagram of Body Sheet 1 - from the rear end of the cab step back on the outside frames over location on the middle diagram. I get that.

The ones I meant are on the lhs (more white) diagram of Body Sheet 2. The 4 individual steps are arrowed, but the two little rivet strips with 4 rivers and 45degree but off end aren’t. Nor are the two just above the stage beam and below the outside frame backing fold-down strips - one green arrow goes right across one, but from the outer axlebox fold-ups to the solid chassis axle cut out pieces in the middle.

Hi Mike

Got you now! They are not used either. They were going to be part of the cylinder cover/frames in front of the smokebox and I forgot to remove them. The other parts are to represent the firebox/footplate rivet strip and are shown as such on the next page in diagram Loco Body Parts Location 3 although they do look like they are pointing to the reversing link!

Cheers Ian

Thanks Ian that clears that up.

I’m taking the opportunity to annotate the instructions as the builder was rained off the garage roof today, so no truss and rafter building for me today. Garage is a wet mess! I hope it’s too cold for rust to set in! Tarpaulins were got on yesterday just after the rain started!! Bin. Bags are “protecting” the machine beds!

Btw, on the loco and tender drag beams, there’s a folding end ...? We’re they timber?

Or are the fold round ends for locating the two pieces into the frames?


Hi Mike

The half etched lines are for location purposes, not folding. These were flat steel sheets, not timber.

Cheers Ian
Btw, on the loco and tender drag beams, there’s a folding end ...? We’re they timber?
Or are the fold round ends for locating the two pieces into the frames?
Hi Mike
The half etched lines are for location purposes, not folding. These were flat steel sheets, not timber.
Cheers Ian
So you solder both layers together and the smaller one is the locator?
Cheers Ian

Sunday, March 15, 2020

Belgravias 3D fittings

These are the fittings for the 7mm Belgravia etches and the Craven tender etches. I am also working on the Stroudley outside frame tender fittings and then will work gradually through the rest of the available 7mm etches from EB Models.
Stroudley and Billinton carriage and wagon transfers have also been trial printed and just waiting to see if these are okay before making them available.
Marsh Goods loco, lettering and Lining almost ready to go.
Stroudley lettering and loco lining being tested over the next few days.

Saturday, February 15, 2020

7mm 3D resin prints starting to be drawn and printed

Well the Slaughter Goods is selling in 4mm, just waiting some more etches at the moment. I am drawing them in 7mm also and hope to have them with me to show at the Windmill meeting in March.

This also shows a 4mm version I am playing about with, printing it all in one piece as a trial.

I am also busy with getting 3D drawings and prints ready for the existing 7mm EB Model kits. These for the Belgravia class. The backhead is a one piece print and the Adams safety valve cover does fit over the springs!

I still haven't managed to get further with the Stroudley loco transfers yet but still trying with local printers.

Saturday, November 02, 2019

Craven Slaughter Goods Kit

I am cracking on with the instructions and thought I should post a couple of the drawings that will be part of the instructions.
These show the etched parts in a red/white combo; grey is the printed resin parts and yellow are the bits of wire, handrail knobs, bearings/hornblocks that I will not be supplying. I asked a couple of people about this and was told by both that they replace the bearings with hornblocks anyway, but they had different preferences for those and that the wire and handrail knobs were not a problem as they always have some in stock. It saves an enormous amount of time and money if I don't supply those parts, and allows me to keep the price to £100.
The alternative versions for the loco springs are shown behind and to the left of the body parts. As are the different types of smokebox door dart, safety valve, chimney, sand boxes with operating links, whistle, cab side sheets, smokebox blower control and injectors for the loco, and the alternative springs, rear toolbox and front tool boxes for the tender.
All these are for the Slaughter Standard Goods. I plan to get two other types available later next year; one of the Cudworth types and one with the remaining two different cab sheets. They will be offered in the same format of mixed resin prints/etching.
I am just awaiting the etches for the 4mm version and am printing off the resin components at the moment whilst writing/drawing up the instructions.
The chassis have three widths of spacer on the etches and provision of full compensation is built in with twin side beams provided and location for a single rocking axle also on both the loco and tender chassis. Coupling rods are provided for either using compensation or not.
There will be an inside motion unit available later as a resin print.
Both Craven and Stroudley number plates will be available when I get the kit etches as they in the same order.
I will be shipping these by the last week of November and then again in February. I am also hoping to have 7mm versions available by the March Windmill Meeting of the Brighton Circle.
Back to the instructions!

Thursday, October 24, 2019

Craven Slaughter Goods available mid November

I have heard back from the etchers today that the Craven Slaughter Goods etches will be me about 7th November so I should have them packaged and ready to go to people by mid November. They will comprise of the etches, the resin castings and the instructions. I am not going to send bearings, handrail knobs or wire with the kits as I am trying to simplify operations somewhat and also trying to keep the costs down and ease the cashflow at this end.

Variations supplied are for the chimney, safety valve casing, cab extra side sheets as well as the footplate sandboxes at the front and I will supply two sizes of splashers for scale or OO/EM flanges. Also different combinations of tender toolboxes and springs.

The photo a couple of posts below shows the resin castings parts and the cab will also be supplied this way but is also on the body etch. As seen at the Brighton Circle AGM.

By getting rid of a lot of the brass and nickel silver etches and replacing them with the resin parts - the firebox, smokebox, springs etc - I have been able to keep the price to a what I consider reasonable one of £100. This will still need you to purchase wheels, motor and gearbox, paint etc but also you will have to supply the type of bearings you want to use and the wire for the handrails.

Wheels are 5 foot outside crank for the loco and 4 foot for the tender. The chassis are designed to use standard top hat bearings for one eight of an inch or two millimetres as appropriate and there are cut out ready to accept the standard hornblocks for those who wish to use them. There are also compensation beams included on the etches. I designed this for a small Mashima motor and a High Level gearbox driving the rear wheels. I will look into the current availability and post my recommendations on here soon.

I have been asked about the outside cranks, which are Resin castings to fit one eight inch axles and use Alan Gibson crankpins. I know some people have used this system well but others are taking the approach of either buying Alan Gibson or Markits versions. The Alan Gibson ones can easily be altered to the correct shape, I haven't used the Markits ones so cannot comment.

A drop in inside motion casting is being developed and will be available next year.

The kits will be supplied in an A4 sized, 1cm thick postage box that I can send as a large letter.

I will be able to supply either Craven or Stroudley numberplates for an extra £4 if bought with the kit.

Reservations now being accepted.


Sunday, October 20, 2019

Works plates for J and I3?

Is this the type of works plate someone was asking for the J class and the I3 Class?
Cheers Ian

Monday, October 07, 2019

Craven Goods castings

This photo shows the castings that I have finally got printed on the resin printer, ready for the Craven Slaughter Goods model.
This shows for the Loco: 
Chimney - original
Chimney - Stroudley style
Safety Valve - original style
Safety Valve - boxed in style
Springs - early
Springs - late
Clack Valves
Smokebox side lubricator - small
Smokebox side lubricator - long
Safety Valve Spring columns
Smokebox Door
Smokebox door dart
Cylinder Cover Plate/frames
Sandboxes on footplate
Pipework unions after clack valves
Injector pipework 4 way union ashpan side
Outside Cranks
Smokebox unit
Firebox unit
Buffer beam
Reversing lever/unit
Smokebox damper control
Boiler level sight glass
and for the tender:

Springs - early
Springs - late
Wooden brake blocks
Brake handle
Water filler
Tank Top Tool boxes
Sandbox lids
Rear buffer beam
Front buffer/damper
Underfoorplate water connector
Tender front toolboxes
Tender rear toolbox
It has taken me far longer to draw all these and then get them printed on the 3D printer with a resolution of 0.002mm so I may not have a finished demonstration model at the AGM.
Cheers Ian