The etches have arrived!

Received a nice parcel this lunchtime. Just looking through them now. Have made a few errors on the carriages but the loco and tender looks fine. I think the tinnitus stopped me checking things

as thoroughly as in the past hence a few silly errors. This is the loco body etches.

the tender body etches.

and this is the nickel silver chassis parts.

The Craven 1st has a

few errors and only one end! The Craven 2nd is better, I think this is all okay apart from the ventilators above the doors.

The Dia 51 Meat Van looks okay.

The Dia 49 Bullion Van has a couple of issues, it etched okay last time but needs some sorting this time. I don't understand why at present so will spend some time looking at any differences between the etch drawing a few years ago and this one.

There were also a couple of other bits, one was C2X brakes and springs for a member but there will be a couple spare.

So, that is what has been received. I had better try and get some completed before the AGM.

More later.

Progress at last but in a slightly different direction

Hi again!

I have been off work since May 2015. Unfortunately after the last post, I was ill again and then busy getting back to work and keeping the Brighton Circular magazine in production which has always taken a huge chunk of my available modelling time. Most enjoyable as it allows access to some marvellous sources, photography and people but it has never been an easy publication to put together.
As many of you may know, Klaus, the Editor, has also been ill and has had to stand down. I have very severe tinnitus and from May through to only a couple of weeks back, it was so intrusive as to severely interrupt my thoughts so much so that even connecting sentences has been difficult. My brain hurts!!! (Monty Python interlude)

I have had an MRI scan and the noise of that was still less than the tinnitus noise in my head! I am having therapy and am learning to concentrate again. In fact, my consultant expressed the use of a computer to draw things technically as a very good therapy as I can put autosave on, make copious paper notes or electronic ones, and gradually use it to extend my span of concentration. He suggested I start on a new project.

So where are we going with this?

Well, a Craven loco! I still haven't finished the Craven Goods but have a good idea now on what needs doing but in the meantime, the new project is 153/4, 1862 single which became Spithead and Southsea.

I have finished the etch drawings and they are at the etchers at the moment. I have drawn them for all 3 4mm gauges and I have also got a set ready for 7mm. The 4mm ones are at the etchers. IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED IN A SET FOR 7MM PLEASE EMAIL ME. A ROUGH ESTIMATE OF £125 FOR THE 7MM ETCHES.
I am looking at getting parts cast in 4 and 7mm via Slaters. I had a chat with David White yesterday at Telford, my first trip out since May! The 7mm wheels would cost £69 for the complete loco and tender as the tender needs coach split spoke wheels. The loco and tender have been designed to be sprung or solid or a bit of both. It is the Craven version as pictured. The Stroudley rebuild needs an almost complete new loco body but that can be done as well, later.

I am also getting carriages etched. There is a Dia 51 Meat Van, a Dia 49 Bullion, a Craven 1st, No 204 and a Craven 2nd No 35. The latter two are as per those at the Bluebell and any profits go to the Craven Carriage Fund. These are being translated into 7mm as well as they would look lovely behind a Terrier! Yes I bought one!


I also have several other drawings ready for the etchers - the Craven 2nd type 8B, the Craven 1868 brake van with duckets and birdcage (although I may get the framing laser cut), Dia 23 and 24 Stroudley 2nd Saloons, a Dia 22 First saloon, a Dia 18 First saloon, a Dia 39 1st Coupe, and two I have to check with Mike Waldron about. The Dia 40 1st brakes and the Dia 42 Lav Compo, both of which have been shown as test etches on here and have been seen at the Brighton Circle AGM the year before last. I don't know if he has actually got these into production or not.

Then there is the early Pullman carriages to complete. Almost there. And I am looking at the matching carriages for the Craven 2nds, as per the Wimbledon photo of Merton. The second and third carriage are already completed.

So, hopefully, I will be keeping this going in a bid to get better with my health, and also to try and use the modelling to relax with as well.

Lastly, the Brighton Circle need help in the production of the magazine. Not difficult, just a bit time consuming. Done on Publisher and sent electronically as pdfs for printing. Let the secretary know if you can help please.

Do please express interest in the 7mm especially but let me know if anything whets your whistle. I will get etches done soon.

Carriage etches almost ready, everything seems to take so long though!

Hi again,
I am trying to keep modelling but seem to have huge gaps between time at the workbench. There are many other interests and demands on my time and modelling or developing etches always seems to get put back! Very frustrating for me as well, I suppose for others that would like some of them!

I am hoping to find time in the next couple of months after I have the new printing process for the Circular sorted out.
Cheers
Ian

Started making up the test etch at last!

Hi again, after another few months where I haven't been able to get anywhere near my workbench.
I have found that, mostly, things have gone together okay. Very pleased with the firebox front and the cab suround.  There are a few problems - the wrapper for the smoebox, boiler and firebox are a couple of mm short! The inside motion doesn't really work with the hornblocks I have fitted so looking for some thinner ones and the holes for the coupling rods and the outside cranks are slightly too large.
I forgot to make an allowance for joining the body to the chassis!

I am off work with something that makes me keep falling asleep at the moment so am trying to do something when I can! My boss said go and make a train so I am trying!

Cheers for now, hopwfully some progress in the next couple of days or so!

Hi
Still struggling for time since taking over the Circular. I have not progressed one jot! I am hoping to see some changes soon so don't give up!
Thanks
Ian

This shows some of the parts for the fully able to be modelled brake gear.

This is showing the tender with some parts - like the tender front just placed on - the folded up tender outside frames.

This view is looking into the coal space showing the curver sandboxes at the front of the tender. Filler caps fit over the holes in the top part yet to be added.

This shows a general view of most of the parts of the tender. Bottom left are the side overlays and the angle iron joining strip to go at the top under the footplate. Tender top toolbox parts are shown but there will also be two other options - one at the rear on the footplate and two on the front of the footplate by the handrails.

And this is a close up of parts for the tender chassis. Fixed, compensated or CSB is catered for without cutting but the usual 6 x 4 mm cutouts can also be done.

I have a lot to play about with and am learning to use my lathe and milling machine to produce parts for masters for casting but I may be asking people to help with this for a reduction in price of the kit or a free one! Any offers as it will take me ages at the rate I am able to work at these things!

More in a few days once my eye has settled and I can get back to my workbench!

Regards

Ian

This picture shows the parts separated and shows the slot that slips over the centre axle. There are other parts to be added to this but, having had a bit more time in hospital today checking my right eye is okay, I am finding it hard to see much tonight so this is as far as the loco chassis is going to get for a couple of days!

These three pictures show what I have managed so far - been far too busy on other things unfortunately!

This is the inside motion that I'm trying to get sorted to just fit over centre axle. One shows the parts on the etch, one shows the parts loosley put together with some of the slidebars etc and the other shows the parts placed over the axle separate from the motion plate and slide bars.

Have also got half the tender assembled and will put up a pic tomorrow.

Not too many stupidities so far! But a bit of redrawing needed!

Cheers

Ian

Last set of etches is mostly the tender.

Right lower the frames etc. Above is the tender footplate toolboxes, the rear toolbox and the injector cover over the firebox for later on in their lives.

Middle is the main frames for the tender with the brakes and linkages, etc.

Above is the springs etc.

Far right lower, the body of the tender and above it the footplate, front, back etc.

Really looking forward to seeing how it all goes together.

Watch this Blog!

Second set of etches for the loco.
Bottom left is all the inside motion parts as described earlier. They are static and slip over the middle axle.
The P4 motion bracket has etched okay on this so will have to investigate why not in EM/OO as similar dimensions.
I have just noticed that PPD have etched the parts again so I do have a full set correct so I can test build in all guages once I have wheels.
Above this is the outside cranks.
Above those are the Stroudley numberplates. Above that the wheel balance weights.
Next right are the loco frames and lower smokebox sides. Compensation parts and also for CSB.
Furthest right is the springs, spring hangers, coupling hooks, reversing lever, cab trim and the safety valve levers.

The etches arrived today! This shows parts for:

Top left boiler, smokebox, firebox, splasher tops, outside frames overlay, footplate overlay.

top right smokebox, boiler and firebox formers and cab, splasher sides, motion plate upper.

Bottom left is the outside frames/footplate unit, buffer beams, cab extra sideplates, sandboxes and linkages, outside hornblocks for outside frame.

bottom right is the coupling rods - jointed with correct knuckle or solid.

Middle left is the Craven numberplates and the works plates.

Middle right the frame spacers for P4, EM and OO. There is a slight problem on this sheet with the motion plate in EM and OO.Firebox lower sides and front.

I have started to design my first etched loco!

This is the Craven Slaughter Standard Goods as in the photo above.

I have just sent the first drawings to the etchers for a trial and hope to get the tests

back in week or so. I am thinking of showing what I'm doing on an RMWeb page as people have

asked me to do that.

It has taken a while to get this far but I have set myself some high standards to attain. I

have included all the under-boiler motion as a rigid unit that fits over the middle axle so there are no cranks actually on the axle etc as such but it looks like there are! It all seems to be okay on the drawings and in my mind so I am waiting with great anticipation for the nickel silver and brass to get to me so that I can see if ideas have worked!

I am now drawing up a similar loco which has a Cudworth coal burning firebox, 8 ft long! A lot of commonality between the two types so this should be quicker.

I have already said to a 7mm modeller that if someone will sponsor the photo tool, I will do the changes necessary for this to be made available in 7mm as well, as etchings only.

I am also working on a Sharp's early loco, as in the Barnam Junction photos. A 4 wheel tender for that and it will include some of the differences for the SER version. That will take another few months though.

Right now, I am trying to get the Summer Brighton Circular ready to be proof read but having had an eye operation recently, this is taking longer than usual.

Then there are masters for patterns for the loco and trying to get the Craven Brake Van and the Stroudley 2nd Saloon coach ready.

Hopefully a little shorter beteen postings when another one of these get done!

Cheers

Ian in Blackpool

What the castings look like

This is a photo of the castings I am recommending in the instructions. The buffers look good, the oil lamps okay but I am not convinced yet by the axleboxes. Do any of you know a source of 7mm axleboxes?? Please let me know. The buffer pads are soldered up from parts provided in the etch. Right, I have been informed from Australia! that I have the wrong set of MetroCam axleboxes! There are 2 types, the CS33 is much nearer what is needed. I have shown the CS28 type, I have now ordered some more but the instructions say the wrong number! If you have bought an etch please order CS33!!!!!

I have been asked about roof fixing. This is my method that was shown to me by Alan Sibley on an industrial diesel, I think, in 4mm. A piece of scrap etch soldered just off the centre-line at the top of the ends. There are three clips, again from scrap etch, along the underside of the roof. Just slide the pre-curved roof into position ensuring the clips locate and slide over the lengthwise piece. It works for me. This, version 2, has bolt fixing holes for body to chassis locating.

Craven 1st Version 2




This is what I have been assembling since it arrived from the etchers yesterday.
This is the second version of the Craven 1st of 1864. This is 7mm and has all the corrections needed from the trial etch and can also be built in the later period as shown here with the continuous upper footboard, as well as the earlier version as shown previously and in the further part of this photo which is the carriage built from the original test etch with the upper and lower footboards.
Everything has worked very well and it is this version that is being sent out. I have some available if people are interested. Full instructions provided but you have to buy your own castings from Prestige and Keykits. I am also working on a card interior kit for this carriage. I'll hopefully get something posted this weekend.
Cheers
Ian

Great!

Really nice to see so many at Scalefourum and even nicer to see Dave has made one up already! See http://lbscr.blogspot.com/
I will be looking for others made up model photos to feature too! Dave's is the version 2, the version 3 will be on sale soon and is the one in the etch drawing, at 4mm.
Cheers Dave

Scalefourum
I will be there Saturday and try to have some samples with me of the Craven 1st, the Bullion Van, the Stroudley 2nd Saloon and the 6 wheel suspension system.
Hope to see you there
Ian

The completed (almost) Bullion Van.

Well, I've still got to fix the roof onto the body (hence the gaps) and paint and letter it but this is what you get. I'm quite pleased with this, the first time I've had a go at strapping on anything and I tried to get the layers looking something like the real thing and give the impression of the massive hinges. £25 plus post and packing to you!
Time to get the Craven 1st finished now.
Ian

For Sale


7mm Craven 1st etches available now. The original drawing has been modified as shown above. I have added a high footboard for Stroudley period, end lamp irons, foot steps, made the holes for the bearings the correct size for 7mm, made the door hinges protrude slightly more, got rid of some slots along folds in the chassis that showed and provided a perforated strip to make up your own oil lamp enclosures if you feel that way! The initial order has been satisfied. Any other people wanting one of these, the cost will be £45 per etch plus postage, per etch.

The photos earlier are of the initial trial. What you would get would be a copy of the above.

I am slowly getting a list of where to get appropriate castings for this.

There has been enough interest in this, and some people kindly sponsored the 7mm trial, so as I get 4mm kits ready, which they are almost now, at long last, I will make a 7mm version available as well.

4mm kits - again the Craven 1st will be ready by the end of September.
As a set of etchings for £30, I can supply castings as well but I think Chris Cox's are better.
see http://www.5and9models.co.uk/

The Bullion van has worked out well, so this is available with all castings at £25 plus postage.

The Stroudley 2nd saloons, either diagram 23 or 24 will be available next at £30 for etchings only or £35 with castings. Postage extra. 7mm will be available shortly after. Etches only at £45, castings for these are already available from other sources. Dave at Roxey http://www.roxeymouldings.co.uk/ has some and
Laurie at http://www.lgminiatures.co.uk/ has others listed in his catalogue.

I am trying to get the Craven outside brake finalised after that and then will be working on the 1866 3rd Brake and all 3rd for 7mm and 4mm and that early Pullman.

I am about to send for another set of numberplates so if these are wanted please email me.

Prices quoted are those at September 2008 and may have to increase in the future.

Cheers for now

Ian

Bullion Van

I spent some time yesterday evening putting all the bits on to the first side of the Bullion Van etch. I am quite pleased with the multiple layers that I have achieved here and I have included a jig so, after tinning, evrything went in the right place first time with minimal fiddling, the hinges locating all the strapping in their correct place with the help of a handle top and bottom that I have now cut off. More later when I have done the other side and got a bit further on over this week.

I am now assembling a revised version of the 4mm 1864 Craven 1st as there were problems with my first attempt. It is the same as the 7mm version but smaller!

Then I have the bullion van to build the test etch of. The one that featured in the latest Brighton Circular. The etch looks okay, I'll post some news when it is assembled later this week. Picture of the van above.

The now completed assembly for the etchings. This is what you get from the etchings. Does anyone know of a source of castings for buffers, axleboxes and oil lamp tops in 7mm? Please email me as I would like to complete this now I have started it.

I had to solder some strips either side of the bearing slot in the W-iron to reduce its size, using some scrap etch. Remember this is a 4mm drawing blown up to 7mm without any changes! I will be able to incorporate changes in any future 7mm etchings that I get asked about as it is relatively easy to do this and makes assembly much easier. I have used the same method of suspension that Bill Bedford developed.

7mm Craven 1st of 1864



I have just finished assembling the first etch of this. Just a straight enlargement of the new 4mm drawing. A couple of issues arose because of differnet proportions of bearings in 4 and 7mm but I have worked around these. An interesting experience working in 7mm as I had not done this before!

All kinds of things going on

Hi, all kinds of things are happening at the moment. Look here a lot to find out what!

7mm Craven 1st - the shorter of the two.
Hi, there has been a fair bit of interest in me enlarging some of these coaches to 7mm. I have been extremely busy with the day job again but have managed to look at this and should be sending off for a trial etch soon. If anyone is interested in this developement, please email me and and let me see that this would be viable or it may not happen.
Cheers
Ian

6 wheel adjustable wheelbase coach chassis

This is something I had forgotten to show on the blog.

When I first made up a Roxey 6 wheel 1st I was impressed by the simplicity of the compensation system. It worked very well and the coaches would whizz around a 30 to 40 foot run on the local S4 area group layout of Preston. I therefore looked around to use something similar when building Andy Mullins, Peter Binsteads and MARC Models 6 wheelers. The only thing I could find was the Brassmasters system.

I bought one and it works very well. The thing I didn't like about it were the shape of the w-irons and all the gubbins that hangs down from the central axle area.

I spoke to Dave at Roxey and asked if I could develop his idea and he said go ahead! I did and came up with an adjustable system that is very similar and keeps the area clear.

However, recently I have been designing all my stock to have springing as the ride quality seems to be better. I therefore adapted this system, again, to be sprung.

You can see these three side by side in the following picture.

So the following three pictures show what they look like when placed under the MARC Models Pullman Pup. Top is the Brassmasters, then my compensated and then the sprung one.

As you can see, there is less clutter showing. My layout (in a very embrionic stage at the mo) has a lot of sighting of stock on an embankment, so this is important to me. It might seem to others that I'm just being very fussy!

The etches will be available shortly at six pounds fifty pence a go including post and packing if there is anyone interested.

Back to the Bullion Van now!

Hi everyone.

This is the second of the Craven 1sts. The one on the left. This is the slightly longer one that has been drawn from a photo that Simon sent with some details from his drawings in the circular a few editions back.

Footboards, w iron ties, etc stillto add but this gives the general shape and a comparison with the other.

Bye for now

Ian in Blackpool

Well this is the last for tonight!
The Diagram 40 1st brake with one compartment. I have also done the artwork for the two compartment version as well as the later style brakes. It is the first time I have attempted an end ducket and I have used the guards seat to try to locate the end better than in other offerings. It seems to have gone together well so far.
The underframe is sprung, as is all the work recently as this has been seen to give a far superior ride on my local layout. I am also looking at offering other Stroudley carriages with the 26 foot underframe as I have designed them all now and they are 'clean' with no dangly bits hanging down or blocking the view through the open spokes of the brake vehicles! I have always been a bit horrified by the underframes I have on other coaches as the view when on an embankment or simply with a low eye level has not been convincing. I tried a few years back using masokits springs and filing the w-iron and soldering a few spring retainers about the place but it was all a bit too 'fussy.' This is relatively clean and open from all viewing angles.
The brakes and rodding are all on the etch and have worked well in P4. I must get some OO wheels and try them for size??
I also etched the large steering wheel type brake handle for the guard and its pillar so you will see these in a week or two as I get on with making up the rest of this test etch. Bye for now!

This is the test of the Dia 37 1st Coupe. There were two of these, one in the City Ltd train at the Norwood Juction Bridge breakage which initially got me interested in the carriage. Simon sent me an email a few weeks ago of a newly discovered picture of these and one compartment brake 1sts with the rest of the train made up of 1sts. Here we are then and the brake 1st is in the next photos!

The bogie on the Dia 36. I am happy with the axlebox but the spring is a coil of wire and it's not good enough yet. This is still the original test from a couple of years ago! More soon!

This picture is showing the three roof heights of Craven 1st, Stroudley Dia 23 2nd Saloon and Stroudley Dia 36 bogie 1st with the strange bogies. I have always liked the height levels in the early photos of the LBSCR and will be looking foward to getting some models completed and take this shot again!

A Craven 1st that I have been working on. There is another, different one which will appear shortly. This is the first test etch but I am happy with most of it! I must get some castings done now for this earlier period!

A bit more news!
At last the work has diminished during the day job and I can get back to some modelling. I should now be staying in the UK for most of this year so will hopefully get some of the instructions written and castings cast, kits boxed up and selling commenced!
I have been busy in the last month and have completed test building a sprung 6 wheel cleminson type adjustable wheelbase underframe, am almost finished test building a Stroudley 1st Coupe and have just finished etch drawings for two types of Craven 1st class coach - an 18'8" and a 19'6" version. I am also working on the one and two compartment versions of the Stroudley brake 1st 4 wheelers. Simon Turner has been feeding me with many photos and drawings and so I have been doing these.
I do enjoy the actual artwork drawing part of this almost as much as the eventual making of the etches. Since Eric passed his casting machine to me early in 2007 I have also managed to get that working and so have started to produce the castings for the Stroudley Bogie 1st which is what got me started on all this etching lark a few years ago! You may have seen the original test etch of that at Scalefourum or the Brighton Circle AGM a few years ago!
It will be available soon!
Right back to the diagram 40!
Bye for now and a Happy 2008!
Regards
Ian